Daily Archives: September 17, 2011

An Afternoon with Aunt Loretta (Proctor)- Roswell, 1947

Kay, the wife side of the couple owning the cabin where I live, is part of the family owning the property adjoining the ranch where the Roswell Incident happened in 1947.  Her Aunt Loretta was the step-mother of Dee Proctor, the youngster with Mac Brazel when he discovered the debris on his land.

Loretta was there when Brazel brought Dee home that day carrying pieces of what they’d found.  She sat at the table with the rest of the family considering while Mac Brazel tried to make sense of it, tried to decide what he should do.

“The piece he [Mac Brazel] brought looked like a kind of tan, light brown plastic. It was very lightweight, like balsa wood. It wasn’t a large piece, maybe about four inches long, maybe just a little larger than a pencil. We cut on it with a knife and would hold a match on it, and it wouldn’t burn. We knew it wasn’t wood. It was smooth like plastic.”

“According to Brazel’s neighbor Loretta Proctor, her 7-year old son Timothy or “Dee” was with Brazel when he first discovered the debris field. But he was also with Brazel when he discovered something else at another site 2-1/2 miles to the east that left him deeply traumatized for the rest of his life.”  This is frequently quoted from numerous locations on the web and in books about Roswell, but it provides a good summation or paraphrase of what Loretta had to say about that part of her experience during our visit recently.

Dee [the accounts continue] never told her exactly what he saw there but did take her to the location in 1994 saying, “Here is where Mack found something else.” Dee Proctor would also duck all attempts at interview and died in 2006.

However, Dee never ducked any conversations with Aunt Loretta, nor with his step-sister regarding the incident, though he was reticent to a degree according to the two women.

The popular accounts continue:  “However, other rancher children are believed to have visited the site, including Sydney “Jack” Wright, who said that two sons of rancher Thomas Edington and one of rancher Truman Pierce’s daughters got to “the other location.” Wright in 1998 would state, “There were bodies, small bodies with big heads and eyes. And Mack was there too. We couldn’t get away from there fast enough.”

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A while back Gale, Kay and I went up to Comanche to visit her Aunt Loretta for an afternoon.  I’d recently read Thomas J. Carey and Donald R. Schmitt’s book, Witness to Roswell.  Even though I ‘d thought before reading it the subject had beaten to death several decades ago, the book renewed my interest, so I was enthusiastic about meeting Aunt Loretta and discussing it with her, so I carried a recorder with me.

Loretta lives with her daughter now, raising goats, dancing one night a week, sharp of mind, intelligent and quick of wit.  At 95, she’s a woman with a lot still to say, but careful about how she says it.

I was prepared by recent readings mentioned above, ready with questions, as were Gale and Kay, who’d also done the reading of Witness to Roswell.  We sat for several hours, asked, and she and her daughter answered, sometimes drifting into nuance, squinting with loaded, pointed implication.

As we drove back Gale, Kay and I talked a lot about what Loretta and her daughter told us that afternoon.  It all boiled down to what she’d personally observed, remembrances of Dee when he and Mac arrived at their ranch, asides about Dee, afterward, almost certainly still in possession of the ‘memory metal’ after it was supposed to have been all turned over to the Army.  “A certain little brat kept it hidden away his whole life!” Loretta declared with a measure of smiling venom.

According to Aunt Loretta, Mac was in a quandry over what to do about the mess on his ranch.  He’d heard somewhere the Army would pay a reward for anyone who found a ‘flying saucer’, but he had a lot of qualms about whether to get involved with the government.  Like a lot of people of that time and that area, Mac didn’t have a lot of trust in them.  A huge tract of land not far away had been confiscated from the families owning it just a few years earlier to create White Sands Proving Grounds, and the Trinity Site of the first atomic bomb detonation was just down the road and only a couple of years in the past.

There, in Loretta’s kitchen, Mac decided to go visit his wife and kids in Las Cruces for the next few days to think it over.  It wasn’t until his return from Cruces he went to Roswell and reported what he’d found.  Because of that delay of a week a lot of people in the Corona area knew about it a considerable while before the government did.

She’d provided a vivid description of the site, almost without seeming to realize she was doing it.  The way the ridge was scoured of any plant life, the ‘remembrance’ of the ‘impact’ zone as she gazed at the wall telling about it.  I came away believing Loretta probably visited the site herself, sometime shortly after the event.

But of all the questions we asked Loretta that afternoon the one thing that didn’t happen was any hint of denial of anything related to her, Dee, the events of those days as described in “Witness to Roswell”.

Whatever happened back there in 1947, there’s not much room to doubt that Loretta’s interpretation of it all doesn’t agree at all with government accounts and seems to agree in all ways where her personal experience and observations come into the events, with just about everything the ‘other side’ has been saying all along.

http://www.alienresistance.org/roswellufocrashsitephotos.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness_accounts_of_the_Roswell_UFO_incident

Witness accounts of the Roswell UFO incident:
http://roswellinvestigator.com/witness-to-roswell-1.php

http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/daily_record02.html

Old Jules

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